1800 was done under the rules OF the Constitution. The primary difference would have been the election of either Jefferson (who did win) or Aaron Burr. Burr was a schemer of course and his presidency would have altered history somewhat, but I suspect not significantly. I believe he would not have been re-elected had he won.
The whole "Bernie got robbed" issue in 2016 continues to gall me and it infects the progressive movements (of which I am an adherent) from being a functioning political force. There is a Facebook page for Grand Rapids United Progressives to which I have not been allowed to join despite wanting single payer health care, free college, reduction in military spending etc- the reason I am not allowed to join is that one must answer ONE question: "Do you think that the election was stolen from Bernie in 2016?" Apparently answering "no" keeps one from 'being a progressive'
That's pathetic. What's sad here is that progressives have become virtually indistinguishable from MAGA absolutists - they just have different people in their fantasies. The reason why Bernie lost is simple: He received 4 million fewer votes. Progressive "he was robbed" arguers never address that; they act like the DNC - as truly toothless organization - somehow hand selected Clinton. Bernie ran a terrible campaign for one reason: He only reached out to those who were likely to easily support him: College students and progressives. He had virtually no outreach to African American communities and offered nothing to them in terms of policy. The "free college" as a primary goal came from tunnel vision: Only 1/3 of Americans attend college, and the vast vast majority of those don't go because they don't want to. I always recommend books in these discussions: Read White Working Class. Great book. Too many Bernie-ites simply assumed that African American and white working class communities were simply aspiring college students, for whom free college and free healthcare were the top issues. Should free healthcare be a top issue: Absolutely. But you can't force it down people's throats without explaining it. There is this fundamental element to this: People believe that if you didn't vote for Bernie, you're stupid. Now it's, unless you believe our conspiracy theories, you're stupid. This is, unfortunately, why progressives have never achieved much power: Too many of them are absolutists who demand perfection and look down on those who they don't understand, but who don't agree with them on one, two or all issues. I'm sorry you are blocked out. Progressives who want to win need to come together, as opposed to progressives who want constant feedback that they are right. One can win, the other is always going to lose.
1800 succeeded because the participants focused on a peaceful transfer of power under the very new constitution
1860 was what we could have had on Jan6 if the nation had been geographically divided- the south seceded with violence
1864 succeeded in re-electing Lincoln even though all the southern states didn't vote
1876 the election was thrown to the Congress under the Electoral College system and Republicans bargained away civil rights for blacks (and never looked back) in order to gain the White House
Had any of these gone differently than they did, wouldn't the history of the US become unrecognizably different from the history we did have? How are these less consequential than 2016 & 2020?
1860 IMO was more consequential than 1864 because the 1860 election was the one that the south decided to secede- by 1864 they already were in open rebellion. Probably the most consequential aspect of Lincoln's re-election in 1864 was that it validated his approach as well as offered impetus to passing the 13th Amendment outlawing slavery.
1876- One could say that the southern racists would have made a play for ushering in Jim Crow even had Tilden been president. The Klan was already terrorizing black communities
1800 was done under the rules OF the Constitution. The primary difference would have been the election of either Jefferson (who did win) or Aaron Burr. Burr was a schemer of course and his presidency would have altered history somewhat, but I suspect not significantly. I believe he would not have been re-elected had he won.
The whole "Bernie got robbed" issue in 2016 continues to gall me and it infects the progressive movements (of which I am an adherent) from being a functioning political force. There is a Facebook page for Grand Rapids United Progressives to which I have not been allowed to join despite wanting single payer health care, free college, reduction in military spending etc- the reason I am not allowed to join is that one must answer ONE question: "Do you think that the election was stolen from Bernie in 2016?" Apparently answering "no" keeps one from 'being a progressive'
That's pathetic. What's sad here is that progressives have become virtually indistinguishable from MAGA absolutists - they just have different people in their fantasies. The reason why Bernie lost is simple: He received 4 million fewer votes. Progressive "he was robbed" arguers never address that; they act like the DNC - as truly toothless organization - somehow hand selected Clinton. Bernie ran a terrible campaign for one reason: He only reached out to those who were likely to easily support him: College students and progressives. He had virtually no outreach to African American communities and offered nothing to them in terms of policy. The "free college" as a primary goal came from tunnel vision: Only 1/3 of Americans attend college, and the vast vast majority of those don't go because they don't want to. I always recommend books in these discussions: Read White Working Class. Great book. Too many Bernie-ites simply assumed that African American and white working class communities were simply aspiring college students, for whom free college and free healthcare were the top issues. Should free healthcare be a top issue: Absolutely. But you can't force it down people's throats without explaining it. There is this fundamental element to this: People believe that if you didn't vote for Bernie, you're stupid. Now it's, unless you believe our conspiracy theories, you're stupid. This is, unfortunately, why progressives have never achieved much power: Too many of them are absolutists who demand perfection and look down on those who they don't understand, but who don't agree with them on one, two or all issues. I'm sorry you are blocked out. Progressives who want to win need to come together, as opposed to progressives who want constant feedback that they are right. One can win, the other is always going to lose.
I'm puzzled as to how the elections of 1800, 1860, 1864 and 1876 got overtaken?
1800 succeeded because the participants focused on a peaceful transfer of power under the very new constitution
1860 was what we could have had on Jan6 if the nation had been geographically divided- the south seceded with violence
1864 succeeded in re-electing Lincoln even though all the southern states didn't vote
1876 the election was thrown to the Congress under the Electoral College system and Republicans bargained away civil rights for blacks (and never looked back) in order to gain the White House
Had any of these gone differently than they did, wouldn't the history of the US become unrecognizably different from the history we did have? How are these less consequential than 2016 & 2020?
1860 IMO was more consequential than 1864 because the 1860 election was the one that the south decided to secede- by 1864 they already were in open rebellion. Probably the most consequential aspect of Lincoln's re-election in 1864 was that it validated his approach as well as offered impetus to passing the 13th Amendment outlawing slavery.
1876- One could say that the southern racists would have made a play for ushering in Jim Crow even had Tilden been president. The Klan was already terrorizing black communities
I am worried about GOP pulling back from Ukraine and NATO and allowing putin to take Europe, leaving America for Trump. I am very scared